Hi, I watched my mother make pie crust. She made the flakiest crusts. She never used ice cold water or put her pie dough in the refrigerator. I remember her, after putting the ingredients in a bowl (flour, crisco etc.) putting the bowl under the spigot or faucet and using cold tap water (not at the level of really cold) and without measuring put the right amount of water in the bowl. I have used ice water and put the dough in the refrigerator and I have not yet gotten a flaky crust. I'm 63, will I ever get a flaky crust?

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