I agree 100% about If You Care Large Baking Cups! I have tested these against several brands of baking cups and they always come out on top. No need to spray. If you want a fancy liner you can bake in these and when the cupcake is cool remove the liner and place the cupcake in a fancy liner. You may have to use thin ribbon to tie around the liner if the cupcakes are too loose. This way no matter how dark the cake they always look nice. For my family they don't care, but when I make them to sell or for gifting I want the best presentation. I have not tested these against the ones KAF offer, but I have not been unhappy with anything I have ordered from KAF and I always use their flour in my baked goods.

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