Hi Chit- That is a tricky one for sure. The first thing I would recommend you do is to make sure your oven is up to temp, as having a really nice initial blast of heat will make a big difference in your rolls internal structure. Also, if you would like to give our Baker's Hotline a call at 855-371-2253, we could maybe try to talk through the recipe a bit more with you to see if we can figure out what else might be going on. Happy Baking! Jocelyn@KAF

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