Made these yesterday as a test run. The dough was a little dry so I added about another ounce or so of water. Probably b/c I dipped the measuring cup & forgot to fluff up the canister. There are only 2 left & the kids are fighting over them, so these will on the Thanksgiving table. I like the prebake option & will do that. Mine seem to be a little bigger than yours, as they touched each other in the pan even before rising, but they rose nicely & were yummy. FYI, I have the new spiral dough hook on my mixer, and I find that it does the kneading on some breads a minute or two less than the traditional C hook. I never go over speed 2 on it. Do you find the spiral works a little faster? I don't have any experience with a spiral just the C hook, but make sure you are not over mixing the dough. Molly @ KAF

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