I just made these bagels. I mixed my started Friday morning before I left for work. I had to double the water in order for it not to look like pie dough, but then the started developed nicely. My dough was quite smooth and I couldn't get it formed well, so I think it was too dry. I also did something to my mixer while it was kneading. The motor kept running but the dough hook quit moving. Then my can of Quick Shine decided not to spray, so I resorted to water. In spite of all the problems, I have to say my oddly shaped bagels turned out reasonably well and I will try them again.

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