I made this bread yesteday and just loved it. Ate half a loaf by accident! It rises really well and has a nice complex flavor. If I am not using a mixer, how much should I knead by hand? I did it just a minute or two until the dough felt good, but the gluten did not develop as much as in your pictures. Also, I greased the bowl it was rising in. Does that make a difference? Julie, I'd think you'd need to knead this for at least 7 minutes, maybe more like 10, with a couple of minutes rest midway. And greasing the bowl is just fine - doesn't really make a difference, that dough will rise as much as it wants, grease or no... PJH

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