PJ: You are right. It tastes great. This was a test anyway so looks are not that important. But I plan to give some as gifts come Christmas time. What do you recommend re rising in pan? Up to within about 1" of the lip? Also it would appear that tenting with foil in the final ten minutes or so is essential. Tom, depends what pan you're using. Yes, with the tube pan I used, it rose to within 1" of lip. The risen dough shouldn't feel at all fragile or Jell-O-like; it should be puffy, but still sturdy. Does that help? PJH

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